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Wednesday, June 20, 2007

East-Looking Vermonter

J_douglas It had the feel of one of those Douglasian proverbs delivered from the opposite side of Planet Earth to the folks back home in the Green Mountains.

Gov. Jim Douglas [left, in a recent WCAX appearance] was on a conference call Tuesday with a slice of the Vermont/N.Y. press/media from the worlds of radio, newspapers, TV, The Associated Press and that Internet thingy.

The Douglas line that really opened the window on how Jim Douglas truly understands the global-warming crisis was this one:

"To have a genuine positive impact on global warming, I would recommend that people look to the East.”

Look to the East?

Whatever you say, Grasshopper. But are you sure?

"I’ve said many times that Vermont has such a small imprint on the surface of the planet that we can do as much as possible and still not save a single polar bear or make any significant impact on global warming," said Vermont's Republican CEO.

"But China can have an impact because of the environmental challenges the environmental officials we’ve met with recognize and need to deal with. I would hope that Vermonters who have a serious interest in climate change would devote their time and energy to places like China where the potential for progress is far more significant," said Gov. Douglas.

He's not suggesting Vermonters take Act 250 to China, is he?

No way.

Reported Louis Porter in this morning's Rutland Herald and Barre-Montpelier Times Argus:

"He just doesn't get it," said Senate President Pro Tem Peter Shumlin, D-Windham, and a leading supporter of the proposed new efficiency program.

"As everyone from the people I speak to on the street to Al Gore understand, if Vermont leads the way in terms of reducing our demand for oil other states will follow," he said. "That is the sort of leadership that is lacking and this bill [H. 520] provides it."

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one_vermonter

Governor Jim sez, "Nuthin' I can do about it ... take your problems to somebody else."

jpc

Shumlin sez,

There's no place like home
There's no place like home
There's no place like home


Stop living in Oz the world does not look to VT for leadership. And everyone you speak to on the street are your supporters, what else would you expect?

mtbikevt

People don't look to VT for leadership??? I'm sorry, how many states now have Civil Unions or gasp, marriage for everyone because of VT. That is real leadership not this garbage look to the east, is that the best he can come up with. Everyone looks to states that take chances to improve a situation whether it be environmental or a case of civil rights. Fact is if VT overrides this veto other states will follow with similar legislation which will have a huge positive impact on our national CO2 emissions and the nation will have VT to thank not China!!

jpc

"People don't look to VT for leadership??? I'm sorry, how many states now have Civil Unions or gasp, marriage for everyone because of VT."

Three other's... glad we are a leader. By the way civil unions did NOT originate in VT. And, to assume that the other states enacted civil unions ONLY because VT did is just plain naive.

Can't wait for three of four other states to enact laws attacking profits generated from clean energy. That ought to help things out.

mtbikevt

You are the ONLY one saying that because VT passed it it is the ONLY reason other states did. Leadership isn't just about being the sole reason why anything happens. It is about providing a positive example to follow which is exactly what VT did by being the first State to PASS a civil unions bill. That being passed made it much easier for other states to follow that lead. By having an example of success it makes it much more difficult for others to deny the movement.

And please explain how this is attacking profits when they are still paying a smaller % of taxes then any homeowner or business in VT? Companies like NRG or GroSolar pay the same rate you and I do and they are ACTUALLY clean energy not like you like to pretend Nuclear is. Please explain how generating waste that will out last anyone alive today and could kill thousands in a heartbeat as well as pollutes are planet daily is clean? Seems a little like the pot call the kettle black to call me NAIVE!

cosby

Nuclear is not clean.

And there is simply no good reason to not diversify our energy portfolio

Damon

The millions of Chinese living in rural farming communities can say "To have a genuine positive impact on global warming, I would recommend that people look to the West.”

And they would be right.

"We’ve said many times that we have such a small imprint on the surface of the planet that we can do as much as possible and still not save a single polar bear or make any significant impact on global warming, but the United States, the world's largest producer of CO2 emissions, now they could make an impact."

trout

While we're at it, let's look to China to serve as a model for labor and social reform, too. Way to go, Diamond Jim.

Keith

Just to set the record straight, there is a new leader in CO2 emissions. Turned on CNN in my hotel room this morning and saw China is now number 1. Then, on the subway ride to the China International Environmental Protection Exhibition to man my little booth I saw something new. The Beijing subway system now has TV screens running through the tunnels to run ads on. Not the stations, but the actual tunnels. It's nice to know that I've installed $200 worth of CFLs in my house so they can view ads on the way to work. 21 years ago when I first started my 8-10 visits a year, Beijing was 80% cars and 20% bikes. It's now the opposite. Turn off some lights, take one less trip to town but don't think that will solve the permanent haze over China.

CowMilker

Maybe Douglas can visit with the young kids recently discovered in that Chinese slave labor ring. He can gently pat them on the back, stare earnestly into their eyes and then ask them to keep producing for good ole' Vermont. Maybe Douglas will return and float the idea of having our young children model the Chinese slave ring. It's just one more way Douglas could propose to help bring down the high cost of education.

vermonter

Cowdude, that is just a bizarre, illogical comment divorced from reality. So, according to you, Gov. Douglas would be in favor of child slavery in Vermont, eh?

CowMilker

His visit pisses me off, yes, hence the "illogical" comment. Douglas's reaching out to the current Chinese regime translates to his (and Vermont's) acceptance of its labor policies, which are abominable. You probably believe the Chinese government wasn't aware of that slave ring, don't you vermonter? Keep living in that dreamland.

jpc

"And please explain how this is attacking profits"

Ummm because it is a tax on profits....

The other companies also get tax incentives under the bill, and frankly they should have tried to negotiate a better deal with the state. It is independent of VY.

I consider nuclear clean because it does not reduce pollution or CO2 when generating power. Yes I realize it takes energy to produce the rods in the first place, and this currently is done by burning fossil fuels. That argument could be for any type of energy, i.e. wind towers need to be trucked to the top of a mountain, the oil and grease need to be refined, etc etc.

"and could kill thousands in a heartbeat as well as pollutes are planet daily is clean"

There are a lot of things that could kill thousands in a heartbeat, and radiation actually kills rather slow. Walk by the casks with a geiger counter and let me know how much "pollution" is coming from them.

I agree with cosby in part, that our energy sources need to be diversified and I am not arguing against the program, just the funding source.

vermonter

So Gov. Douglas' visit to China pisses you off. Why? Are you equally pissed off when Democrats (both governors and congressmen) visit China? It happens all the time. Yes, they China has some terrible policies. Should we shut down relations with them? No visits? Including by future President Obama, Clinton, etc. NO VISITS TO CHINA BY ANYONE -- Cowmilker is pissed off!

What about Cuba, undoubtedly an extremely oppressive country. But the darling of liberals. Liberals have been screaming for years that our attitude toward Cuba is wrong. Would you be pissed off if Gov. Douglas visited Cuba?

brighteyes

What's not fair about bringing Entergy's property tax in line with other businesses and in line with a fair tax such as wind utilities have to pay. No other business in Vermont has a fixed tax rate such as Vermont Yankee has had since it was stealthily set in 2003. Let's be fair. This is fair for ALL businesses and for all Vermonters.

jpc

If it was fair for all businesses it would not include incentives for wind and other renewable energies. If it was fair all businesses would get taxed at 35% of all profits, or at least all energy companies.

What's not fair with the tax on Entergy is there is an agreement in place and we honor that agreement. Is it a crappy deal, sure, but a deal none the less. In 5 years if the VY is relicensed then the legislature can fix their problem then.

jpc

If it was fair for all businesses it would not include incentives for wind and other renewable energies. If it was fair all businesses would get taxed at 35% of all profits, or at least all energy companies.

What's not fair with the tax on Entergy is there is an agreement in place and we honor that agreement. Is it a crappy deal, sure, but a deal none the less. In 5 years if the VY is relicensed then the legislature can fix their problem then.

vermonter

"This is fair for ALL businesses and for all Vermonters."

If it seemed fair, then all or most Vermont business would support it, right? So why are virtually all businesses against it? Because it is NOT fair, that's why. Next year when Shumlington wants to launch another new program, they'll fund it with a new tax on IBM -- after suddenly "discovering" that IBM has been undertaxed all these years!

And please don't trot out that NRG supports this bill. Ya, ya, ya, we know. Spare us. NRG got a nice tax incentive from the Legislature this year in a separate bill. They've been bought.

Oh, by the way, the accusation that the tax agreement that was set with VY in 2003 was "stealthy" is an outright lie. It's an intentional "talking point" that Shumlington is disseminating and people like brighteyes are repeating. There was nothing hidden about the agreement. It was discussed, talked about, debated, and approved by the Legislature, most of whose members are still there today. It was reported in all the papers. Everybody in Vermont who was minimally aware of what was going on around them in 2003 knew about it. No one -- including the Democratic leaders who are now suggesting it was a "stealthy" deal -- opposed it. Drop that claim for honesty's sake, please.

cosby

"NRG got a nice tax incentive from the Legislature this year in a separate bill. They've been bought."

They would have supported it anyway. The mindset of the owners and the people that work there aligns with green energy.

From your logic, democrats are just paid off republicans...

mtbikevt

what tax break did NRG get? please explain this one.

Whether the deal was stealthy is one thing but it most certainly was not debated. Go to leg homepage and look up the bill, H.473 form 2003. There is a quick link to the Journal for the vote. Rules suspended NO debate in the House or Senate and passed just like that. Committee bill so names need be used. Only the legislators know if it was stealthy but with a little investigation you can all see with your own eyes that there most certainly was NO open debate. Draw your own conclusions from that.

35% of profits??? Where does this number come from? Do you really think 5mil is 35% of VY's profits? Give me a freaking break.

What "incentives did wind and other renewables" get? How is one an incentive and the other a predatory tax?

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