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Monday, December 10, 2007

Secret Government?

Statehouse Took a break over the weekend from the hustle and bustle, so I didn't catch the House Republican Caucus on Saturday In Montpeculiar.

Looks like nobody did.

Veteran Ch. 3 Reporter Andy Potter tried, but had this to tell viewers Saturday night.

Republicans held their meeting behind closed doors Saturday, without reporters present, calling it a planning session rather than an official party caucus.

Adams Then he gave the GOP House Leader Rep. Steve Adams [left] of Hartland face time to say what terrible things he anticipates the House Democrats will try to do in terms of raising taxes.

Excusez-moi.

This is a democracy. An open government.

And the GOP holds its pre-session caucus "behind closed doors?"

Just change the name of the meeting of elected representatives from "caucus" to "planning session," and y'all can lock the damn doors and keep press and public out?

What kind of an example is that setting?

Has the law been violated?

And are Vermont Democrats, Progressives, Independents  - heck - even other Republicans - going to let such officially-sanctioned secrecy stand unchallenged in Vermont?

We'll see, won't we?

P.S. Vermont House Democrats met in Montpeculiar the previous Saturday for their pre-session caucus -  no "behind-closed-doors" secrecy.  Public and press were admitted, as usual,  to observe the discussion you elected them, and pay them, to have.
 

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anon

Nice try Freyne, but where were you when the Ways & Means subcommittee working on the income tax proposal was meeting behind closed doors without notifying the public or the press?

Tom Dovich

What the hell is this tiny minority worried about? That somebody will actually press them to come up with an idea on their own? Or that someone will be there to witness their complete inability to do so? Wouldn't surprise me at all. As a Vermonter, it concerns me that our governor--and now the GOP legislators--are choosing to follow the lead of the Bush Administration, with regard to secrecy and the public's right to know. Before their "caucus," was there a secret hand shake to enter? Maybe a secret password, like "privatization?"

P.S. Potter should have waited them out and demanded an answer for being barred. Maybe Steve Adams is watching too many Putin clips these days.

JPC

As a vermonter it concerns me that complete lack of intelligence of the democratic party in recognizing the issues that vermonters are concerned about. They would do well to keep the utter incompetence behind closed doors. It further concerns me that the democratic party would give the democratic nomination to a socialist and not one of their very own members for no other reason then to keep a republican out, that's shady.


donald duck

Steve Adams certainly has not produced any ground breaking legislation. Same goes for the other republicans. I suppose the thought of actually looking worse than the dems drove them to lock their doors.

Doug Hoffer

Given the results (Sanders 65%, Tarrant 32%) you should probably let it go. Indeed, my quick count finds that Bernie got less than 50% in only 5 towns in the whole state (and got more than 70% in 55 towns).

And I think it's a bit late to be trying to make hay out of the "socialist" label. Vermonters don't seem to care about such things.

As for Democrats, I'm not sure what you mean by their "complete lack of intelligence...in recognizing the issues that vermonters are concerned about."

They tried (along with Progressives) to address the high cost of energy. And they have tried (repeatedly) to address the crisis in health care. Years back the Dems & Progs reformed education finance so that 100,000 households pay based on income instead of property value. And so on.

The Gov. talks a lot but at the end of the day it is little more than bluster. His line about "affordability" is built on a house of cards and there's no "there" there. Vermonters are starting to get it (don't know what took them so long). The last election was a pretty good indicator. Douglas won but the Dems & Progs increased their majorities in both houses.

So while I too have some complaints about the Dems (for much different reasons), I hardly think your characterization ("incompetence") is either fair or warranted. Fortunately, you appear to be in a distinct minority.

odum

It further concerns me that the democratic party would give the democratic nomination to a socialist and not one of their very own members for no other reason then to keep a republican out, that's shady.

Actually, that's Democracy.

Steven Hodska

Hey all, so I taped my pilot for the Ron Paul Movement Hour. It will be showing for the first time tonight Monday the 10th at 10pm on channel 15 on Comcast Burlington. It will be replayed on Friday at 6pm on channel 15. Here is the schedule for vcam channel 15:

http://www.vermontcam.org/vcam%20schedule.htm = VCAM SCHEDULE

So, if you are in da 802 or da 05401 or know someone that is, please give them a call and let them know that this is on. I took my favorite clips from youtube and quotes from books and made a video essay. Once I have figured out how, I will post it on youtube for the world to see, but for know only people in Chittenden County in Vermont can watch it tonight and then again on Friday. The show will become a live show, but I have to do 3 taped ones first.

Everyone who supports Ron Paul, please call anyone near Burlington VT you can to help me build a following. I would really appreciate it

...and join the meetup group

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/196/ = The Vermont Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group

I will post when the 2nd show is on...should be sometime next week...

vermonter

"I hardly think your characterization ("incompetence") is either fair or warranted. Fortunately, you appear to be in a distinct minority."

Not sure that last sentence is necessarily true. Vermonters may have elected a Democratic legislature, but it may not have been because they wanted a Democratically-controlled legislature, but rather because they voted for their own individual legislator, who happened to be a Democrat. Were the voters thinking "I want a Democratically-controlled legislature" when they cast their vote for their local Rep.? At the same time, they elected a Republican Governor and Lt. Governor.

I also agree with JPC on the first sentence. I think the current Democratic leadership has a completely deaf ear for what's important to working and middle class voters, and instead caters to the preferences of wealthy liberals.

Dot Boogums

Isn't "Steve Hodska" Swedish for "I'm Retarded?"

Doug Hoffer

To: Vermonter

Please explain how the all fuels efficiency program catered to "the preferences of wealthy liberals."

Please explain how efforts to provide health care for the uninsured caters to "the preferences of wealthy liberals."

Please explain how the workforce education & training bill catered to "the preferences of wealthy liberals."

Peter Joes

Hey Vermonter - - "they voted for their own individual legislator, who happened to be a Democrat" - - duh - - they could have voted for their individual legislator who happened to be a Republican. They chose not to because they didn't believe in what that person who happened to be a Republican believed in.

But, you've got me floored, why in the heck did they vote Douglas back in at the same time (and at the same time they voted in Sanders by a large majority)?

Beats me.

PJ

Name+One+Job

Doug, please explain how Miss Symington of Jericho and Pete "where's-the-microphone" Shumlin have created one single job for Old North Enders, Winooski-ites, and Vermont's rural poor? Name one business creating working class jobs that they have attracted to the state? I can think of several working class employers that have left, but I can't think of one that's come in. Can you?

donald duck

Keep in mind Jericho is composed of almost entirely of professional families whose bread earners work at places like IBM, Fletcher Allen, UVM, IDX, etc. These are not "wealthy" liberals. These are middle class voters.

JPC

Good Gawd,

"Given the results (Sanders 65%, Tarrant 32%) you should probably let it go."

Yes and Bush isn't going to be impeached. You are missing the point which is not the individual act, but the idea that it was wrong the first time and now that a precedent has been set it is likely that it will happen again.

"They tried (along with Progressives) to address the high cost of energy. And they have tried (repeatedly) to address the crisis in health care. Years back the Dems & Progs reformed education finance so that 100,000 households pay based on income instead of property value. And so on."

Clearly, you are a democrat which is why it would be hard for you to understand. The problem isn't education reform, it's education spending. Taxes are another issue, which the legislature simply wants to add to. Yet another issue is the exodus of our young, what was the legislatures response : fight Douglas tooth and nail on establish a plan to keep them in state. Health Insurance is a whole nother ball of wax. The latest program hasn't even been in effect for a quarter and already Gaye wants to "improve" it. Either she doesn't have a lot of faith in the program they created or she lacks the intelligence to realize that they already addressed it. Your opinion of my term incompetent is duly noted. I respectfully stand by my characterization.

"I took my favorite clips from youtube and quotes from books"
Steve hope you obtained permission, otherwise that would be copyright infringment.

"professional families whose bread earners work at places like IBM, Fletcher Allen, UVM, IDX, etc. These are not "wealthy" liberals. These are middle class voters."

Donald, get out of Chittenden County, those are not the working class of VT. The guy standing out in the frigid weather pounding nails while his wife works at the local mini mart, that's the working class of VT. Gaye and her friends have no idea what it's like to live on 40K a year for a family of 4.

"Actually, that's Democracy."

Odum, I guess we must have different dictionary's. But that doesn't surprise me you probably have the Symington/Shumlin version.

donald duck

"Donald, get out of Chittenden County, those are not the working class of VT. The guy standing out in the frigid weather pounding nails while his wife works at the local mini mart, that's the working class of VT. Gaye and her friends have no idea what it's like to live on 40K a year for a family of 4."

Actually, I purposefully left out "working class" from what I wrote.

sandy ward

Hey Campbell, you're such a cop. Seems to me that the use of psychological warfare is too intelligent to be DEA.

PS. You can keep the marine, I've thrown him back...real men don't need to drug women.

Doug Hoffer

To: Name+One+Job

Interesting. I thought it was the Governor who runs the state and is supposed to create jobs. But all you can do is rail against the legislature. After all, it's the Governor's Dept. of Economic Development, not Gaye's or Peter's. And they have met his budget requests for economic development every year he's been in office.

As for jobs attracted to the state, I'm afraid that's not where the action is regardless of who is governor, speaker, or pro-tem. Some would have you believe that a lot of businesses move around and are (or should be) our saviours. It's just not true.

Do you know that there is no public data on the interstate movement of businesses? But the private data shows that the net effect of business relocation is about 3% of all the jobs created and destroyed in VT. The action is here, not out there.

In any case, it's the Gov. who routinely trashes VT for being a lousy place to do business, not the legislature.

As for Gaye & Peter, they are the ones who supported the all fuels efficiency bill that would have created lots of jobs (and saved a pile of money for residents & businesses). The Gov. vetoed it.

I suppose the Gaye & Peter bashing is fun for you, but it's just not supported by the facts. The Governor's jobs record is terrible. Trying to put that off on others doesn't change the facts.

sandy ward

Speaking of the Governor...Robert Sand is the man!

not+one+job

Ah, Doug. You wanna talk in-state? Then you must be talking about the time that Gaye and Peter went to Capital City Press and said, "tell me what we can do to keep you from moving those jobs to the midwest."

Oh, you must be talking about the time they went to EHV Weidmann and said, "what can we do to keep you from leaving the state?"

You must be talking about the time they went to OMYA and said, "hey, tell us what we could do to keep you from moving your 75 administrative jobs to another state."

Or, you must be talking about that famous time that they went to IBM and said, "Ok, look, tell us how important the Circ really is to keeping you in state, and we'll endorse it."

Oops. I forgot. They didn't do any of those things. Instead, they were spending their precious time on things like, oh, say, banning the trimming of dogs' ears.

The Governor comes in for his share of the blame. But you want the Legislative leadership to get off scot free.

Looks like my kids won't be coming back to Vermont after college because THERE ARE NO JOBS, unless you count using your college degree to put tourists into their seats on the chairlift as A JOB.

Thanks.

vermonter

"Hey Campbell, you're such a cop. Seems to me that the use of psychological warfare is too intelligent to be DEA.
PS. You can keep the marine, I've thrown him back...real men don't need to drug women."

Un-stoked translation, anyone?

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