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Thursday, May 26, 2005

Them's fightin' words

Did anyone else realize that there are actually two anonymously written and sourced blogs focusing on Vermont politics? I didn't. I've been linking to Politics VT for awhile now, and I just assumed this Con Van Ness character was a real guy. Guess not.

Honestly, I didn't pay that much attention to it because it's kinda dull. Looks pretty conventional, just a collection of articles from various news sources, unlike the similarly named VT Politics, which appears to be a rough-around-the-edges purveyor of gossip.

But apparently there's some actual writing going on at PVT, as "we are insiders and you'd never guess" from VTP pointed out yesterday in the comments from the Frauds? thread below.

They point out that PVT, aware of the anonymity conversation here at 802, posted a pre-emptive thread defending their use of anonymous sources. The "Insiders" at VPT offer their own comments, which I'm reprinting verbatim here despite my overwhelming urge to correct their spelling and grammar:

What is fascinating to me is their pursuit and presentation as a “real” or legitimate news source. Sure, they post a lot of other peoples “real” news. But there own writings are all commentary and doesn’t pass journalist muster. Their double and triple checked sources are certainly no better than the sources that we have or even Frayne or Allen or a dozen others who can pick up the phone and call around.

Oooh, sounds like a catfight! Don't know about you, but I'm sheepishly looking forward to seeing these two duke it out. But guys? What's with the dull, unimaginative names? Jeez. Leave it to the politicians to kill creativity.

UPDATE: Upon further reflection, I have updated my assessment of Politics VT from "dull" to "earnest," which is not necessarily a bad thing in politics.

May 26, 2005 at 07:16 AM in VT Blogs | Permalink


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They should give themselves superhero/supervillain names. That would spice things up.

Posted by: NTodd | May 26, 2005 7:56:26 AM

The people at Politics VT take the names of former VT governors as their pen names. Hence Cornelius Van Ness, Issac Tichenor and Silas Jenisen. Is that really Issac, not Isaac? That's what it says in this entry.

That's original, I guess, but not as fun as the Partisan Paladin, or the Masked Medicaid Avenger.

Also, what's up with their weird site design, with the big white box? Is it just my browser that makes it look strange?

Posted by: cresmer | May 26, 2005 8:38:29 AM

The thing that bothers me about PoliticsVT (which I link to, BTW) is the reprinting of content mostly without attribution. Yeah, they link to the original, but when I first went there I thought some of the reprinted stuff was original content and said, "wow, this is pretty good". My first clue, actually, was when I did see original content. It had not only poor spelling, but poor grammer as well. Then I realized what was up.

VTPolitics, OTOH, which I don't link to, just seems mean. I resent the names they have for people. My position is, disagree with policy all you want. Criticize positions. But there is no need for ad hominem attacks or innuendo that often, in my mind, comes close to slander.

And there is no reason to not respect the position that person holds by using their official title.

I happen to have worked with Lt Gov Dubie in the past and I know him to be a really nice guy with a wife and kids and probably pets. Disagree with his politics but there is no need to call him, or anyone, names.

Posted by: CoolBlue | May 26, 2005 10:24:48 AM

I emailed Darren Allen of the VT Press Bureau — and Hall Monitor — to see if he knows our mysterious polibloggers. His response:

I don't know who these people are. In one sense, they are fun and
inconsequential, but, in another, their credibility would be so much more
enhanced if we knew their true identities.

He also says he'd like to see where they got their polling data.

Posted by: cresmer | May 26, 2005 10:39:43 AM

Couple of things for 802:

1) Cathy thank you for the nice comment over at our blog VTpolitics (How do you put links in these darn comment threads)

2)As for our name calling at VTpolitics we are asking for comments if we should drop them. We have an un-high-tech poll going.

3)Cathy, please never repress your desire to correct our grammar. Please just do it in red type so we can remember our school days.

4)If Darren Allen wants to see where we got our polling data he should have our email. If not, here it is: [email protected]

Posted by: VTpolitics | May 26, 2005 1:56:25 PM

Peter Freyne just stopped by the 7D office and said people in Montpelier are talking about these anony poli bloggers.

Posted by: cresmer | May 26, 2005 2:43:23 PM

Mother, fetch me up some popcorn...

Posted by: NTodd | May 26, 2005 3:19:20 PM

i noticed from the beginning that they were putting in articles. but they cited them so i had no problem. they offer some interesting stories (PoliticsVT)that I like to read.

dont really care for VTPolitics. I feel that they copied PoliticsVT. but thats just my opinion. i really think that vtpolitics is trying to start something with politicsvt. i dont like that. the deputy bureau chief at politicsvt wrote a rebut to what everyone has been saying. i think its worth it if everyone checked it out. shows some integrity if you ask me.

i just read politicsvt's insteresting article written on Randy Brock's future. it's rather insightful and interesting. as was the cheryl rivers piece.

dont really want to see this get blown up. i think its immature and stupid.

Posted by: lovemypolitics | May 26, 2005 6:06:14 PM

lovemypolitics...nice name, has a legit point.

politicsvt gives credit where it is, if not i would make a comment.

they do actually write stuff, cathy. all the editorials that they write (like the one about randy brock and cheryl rivers)are interesting and insightful.

i dont judge a blog by its looks, i judge it by its content. they have good stuff. i dont think vtpolitics has anymore good stuff.

its too bad this has got so nasty. lets change the subject and talk some politics!

-Moderate Dude

Posted by: moderate dude | May 26, 2005 6:26:10 PM

if you all have a problem with PoliticsVT tell them about it. im sure that they would be happy to talk to you about it. from what i have read on their posts, they seem like pretty nice people.

you guys should really be more productive and discuss significant issues in politics rather then going after blog creators. have you ever thought that they use pen names cause it is a) for privacy and b) cause its fun.

You guys take these things really too seriously. enjoy them and give credit to the people who spend time putting it together.

i say be thankful that we have vtpolitics and politicsvt.


Posted by: ILoveVT | May 26, 2005 8:04:42 PM

I actually don't have a problem with PoliticsVT, which is why I link to them. I just had an initial confusion regarding their content. I've noticed recently they have done a much better job at pointing out reprinted material.

I wish them luck and hope to use their reporting as the Congressional races get closer.

Posted by: CoolBlue | May 27, 2005 9:31:22 AM

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