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Monday, December 10, 2007

Secret Government?

Statehouse Took a break over the weekend from the hustle and bustle, so I didn't catch the House Republican Caucus on Saturday In Montpeculiar.

Looks like nobody did.

Veteran Ch. 3 Reporter Andy Potter tried, but had this to tell viewers Saturday night.

Republicans held their meeting behind closed doors Saturday, without reporters present, calling it a planning session rather than an official party caucus.

Adams Then he gave the GOP House Leader Rep. Steve Adams [left] of Hartland face time to say what terrible things he anticipates the House Democrats will try to do in terms of raising taxes.

Excusez-moi.

This is a democracy. An open government.

And the GOP holds its pre-session caucus "behind closed doors?"

Just change the name of the meeting of elected representatives from "caucus" to "planning session," and y'all can lock the damn doors and keep press and public out?

What kind of an example is that setting?

Has the law been violated?

And are Vermont Democrats, Progressives, Independents  - heck - even other Republicans - going to let such officially-sanctioned secrecy stand unchallenged in Vermont?

We'll see, won't we?

P.S. Vermont House Democrats met in Montpeculiar the previous Saturday for their pre-session caucus -  no "behind-closed-doors" secrecy.  Public and press were admitted, as usual,  to observe the discussion you elected them, and pay them, to have.
 

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donald duck

"using your college degree"

There are college degrees and there are college degrees. The vast majority of 4 yr degrees are useless regardless of location. Its almost as bad for Masters and PhD level degrees. In some cases getting a masters or PhD is essentially digging the "useless" hole deeper.

Here again we seem to be stuck on business movement, but the real story is new business growth.

JPC

And why Donald would anyone want to start a business in VT. For the aging workforce? The highly educated young people? The taxes associated with being the 14th highest in the country? The threat that if you make too much money people will attack you?

Doug, is it the a result of the gov that stores like sear, best buy, home depot won't keep major items in stock in VT, instead stockpiling them in NH, where they won't have to pay tax on the item until it is sold? How do you think that affects a business trying to start up, where they have to compete with companies that don't have to pay the same taxes since they are large enough to afford trucking and stockpiling items out of state? Last time I checked only the house had the authority to create bills regarding revenue.

Is Douglas the savior? Of course not, but as has been stated our legislature hurts things severely. As for saying we are an unfriendly state to business well, you can't address an issue until you identify it.

Sandy, you are a loon. When I contribute to the loon fund on my taxes does that money go to you? Keep posting though, it's great comic relief.

donald duck

"And why Donald would anyone want to start a business in VT."

Why not? My family has started multiple business ventures. Some sucessful, some not. The unsuccessful ones were never unsuccessful because of taxes or any of the problems you cite. Likewise, the successful ones were never successful because the governor or legislature invited us to a "what can we do for you" one-on-one.

According to Fresh Tracks Capital, entrepreneurs really don't pay much attention to how Vermont ranks in taxes, how many educated young people there are, or any of the issues people are using to smear Vermont. Clearly, going from reviewing ~20 business plans in a year when first created to ~120/year in 2007 and actually making decisions to invest in VT companies, Fresh Tracks has the evidence that shows Vermont isn't exactly this completely negative place that people are trying to paint.

JPC

"entrepreneurs really don't pay much attention to how Vermont ranks in taxes, how many educated young people there are, or any of the issues people are using to smear Vermont"

That's part of the reason why the vast majority fail multiple times before they figure it out.

According to fresh tracks captital they are interested in things that are technological ventures. One or two guys that are going to write some software don't care what type of employees they are going to find since they aren't hiring from the pool, and who they do need to hire don't need to be physically in the state. Nor are they producing a product that where the components are hard to get or are taxed. Further they likely don't even need a building to work out of to start up. I don't think I would use that as a source for an argument, but then again, thankfully I am not you.

donald duck

Actually Fresh Tracks has a larger scope. For example, they worked with VT Teddy Bear which is clearly not technical and has all the geographic problems that you cite.

It's unlikely that they would fund one or two software engineers without them having demonstrated product viability and a workable business plan. Software engineering isn't necessarily the "work from home" environment that you suggest. A fresh startup would have difficulty with the primary engineers being at remote locations. A startup like the scenario you depict would eventually need to hire for sales, marketing, packaging, etc tasks.

I suppose, regardless of the evidence your cup will always be half empty.

JPC

What evidence???? I haven't seen one shred of it. You post one link from one private company that's webpage specifically states it is interested in start ups a specific type and call that evidence? Good grief, and people wonder how myths get started.

"A startup like the scenario you depict would eventually need to hire for sales, marketing, packaging, etc tasks."

yes eventually but, not at the stage where they are at when talking to capital tracks. Which is why that evidence is worthless.

donald duck

"yes eventually but, not at the stage where they are at when talking to capital tracks. Which is why that evidence is worthless."

Actually, it would be when they seek to acquire venture capital. The addition of a sales, etc workforce would be at a business expansion transition point where venture capital would be needed. By your reckoning, it would appear that the evidence is valid.

I don't expect you to agree or even consider the evidence. That would not be your M.O. As I said, your cup is always half empty. It's painfully clear you do not understand business. You certainly do not understand how Workers Comp Insurance works.

It's pretty bad when one of the heads of a successful Vermont Venture capital business gets on the radio and basically says that the Governor is not telling the whole truth about Vermont Business climate.

It's also really narrow minded to dwell on business movement when data shows that business movement has marginal job growth impact while at the same time choosing to ignore those who are successfuly making money investing in Vermont based startups.

BTW JPC, you have one of those useless college degrees. I suppose that's the reason for the hysteria. But, alas. You should have made better choices.

JPC

Donald duck, please tell me a.) what my M.O. is I am dying to know. b.) how you conclude I don't understand workman's comp simply because I can't describe it in terms you understand, c.) Where I "dwell" on business movement d.)Why one single business capitalist is the all knowing authority on all things VT, e.) what my college degree is in and F.) why it is useless?

I don't expect you to answer any of the questions at least not directly, that would be your M.O. It is oh so painfully clear that you would rather pretend everything is honky dory instead of facing up to reality. So peace, love, and happiness to you and all your friends in Utopia.

donald duck

a.) what my M.O. is I am dying to know.

Frankly, it would appear that you don't read. But then your strawman arguments such as arguing "working class', do appear quite frequently. Plus when backed into a corner you resort to "I can't describe it in terms you understand", which says something of your character.

b.) how you conclude I don't understand workman's comp simply because I can't describe it in terms you understand.

The Vermont Department of labor describes it in understandable terms that contradict your understanding. Hence, you clearly do not understand workers comp. The lack of willingness to attempt to describe your point is simply cover for the fact that you are completely wrong.

c.) Where I "dwell" on business movement

That was not directed at you alone, but as a generalization. People do dwell on business migration, usually centering on all the negatives that might go along with it. If I chose, I'm sure I can find some JPC commentary in these threads.

d.)Why one single business capitalist is the all knowing authority on all things VT,

This is your strawman. Nobody, but you, suggested that he was. But behold, here he is investing in Vermont companies and making money. Combine that with the existence of a multitude of Vermont businesses and you have a case against the false and perpetually negative message. At any rate, he certainly has a perspective that is not being told. Interestingly, this person did have a different viewpoint on business movement, closing, and the like and provided an example of where a closing resulted in the creation of multiple startups that had a bigger footprint than the original business. This part of the story never gets told.

e.) what my college degree is in

Microbiology. Do you know that when Reagan was at the helm and when he cut funding, at UVM it turned the roles of graduates and gradute students upside down. PhD's took roles formerly filled by MS students and MS students took to washing dishes.

F.) why it is useless?

Washing dishes isn't a good job and the degree will never get you one of those "good" jobs. There is reason why many PhD's stop by the Computer science department and grab a masters on their way out the door.

"Honky Dory" "Utopia"

Another strawman. The reality is that things are not at either end of the spectrum, but in the middle.

JPC

Maybe you could try to convince Sandy that I am not J campbell of the dea.

Daffy, interesting analysis

a.) I do try to read all the post and I actually try to address the specific points. As for "working class" being a strawman argument, well we'll have to agree to disagree. While I understand you left working out intentionally, that would also be intentionally misleading. I was trying to clarify a little.
b.) Okay I lied, I probably could explain my point to you but I just don't really care enough to do so. As for backing me into a corner, well search around and you will find that I have in the past and will in the future concede points.

d.) your post suggest otherwise, that because the great capital tracks said so then it must be true. However, because I am getting sick of this thread, you win. THere is plenty of new job growth in VT. Douglas and myself are pessimists.

e.) Half right, kudos.

f.)I guess it depends on what you call a good job. Frankly doing research in a lab to my own so I don't have to deal with all the idiots out in the public is certainly what I would call a good deal. Besides maybe I can get some Venture Capital for my own biotech company from Capital Tracks

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